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[knutstransport]

RE: Selwyns

(02/03/2020 12:47)Salopbus Wrote:  I didn't say it was. TfGM could agree to transfer the contracts to Belle Vue if Selwyns requested them to. By agreeing, providing there is no increase in cost, TfGM save themselves an expensive and time consuming tendering excercise

Bids always have a quality score as well, which usually has a lower weighing than price so it's not just about what one operator will charge. Obviously if the contract says a coach with seatbelts, not a bus without then that will have to continue but maybe if Selwyns' bid said all of our coaches are currently under x years old that could have got them quality points without necessarily being written in to the contract as a requirement.

Cheshire East/TSS faced some awkward questions from the D&G traffic manager over why they decided to allow Tomlinson Travel to run a revised 316 & 319 contract without re-tendering, when it was different to the 319 timetable which was originally awarded through a tendering process. He believed that D&G could offer a better price due to them having spare vehicles and drivers, through the axing of other services and the new arrangement not requiring a Saturday service, unlike the old one.

[knutstransport]

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(02/03/2020 03:15)Mayneway Wrote:  Allegedly it’s a fall out with TFGM that’s led to this handover of school contracts with Selwyns vowing to never take any TFGM work on again

Just thinking Selwyns no longer provide the work contracts for Barclays (that they operated for a number of years) having lost them to Holmeswood/Walkers, they no longer seem to run rail replacement buses for Northern and they lost the 391/392 Cheshire East contract over reportedly using vehicles which didn't meet the seating specification set out in the contract. I wonder if the issue is actually at TfGM or whether it's an issue at Selwyns.

[Salopbus]

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(02/03/2020 13:20)knutstransport Wrote:  Just thinking Selwyns no longer provide the work contracts for Barclays (that they operated for a number of years) having lost them to Holmeswood/Walkers, they no longer seem to run rail replacement buses for Northern and they lost the 391/392 Cheshire East contract over reportedly using vehicles which didn't meet the seating specification set out in the contract. I wonder if the issue is actually at TfGM or whether it's an issue at Selwyns.

Selwyns gave notice on the 391/2 they did not lose it.

[Mayneway]

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(02/03/2020 09:37)knutstransport Wrote:  So part of the business has been sold to Belle Vue, despite what you said in an earlier post. A sale does not have to mean vehicles, drivers or depots transfer. You're saying the existing contracts have been transferred from one business to another - that's legally classed as a sale and they will have had solicitors writing out a document defining the terms of the transfer and the value of the transfer - even if the value is just £1.

The only other way around it would be Belle Vue operating the services on behalf of Selwyns but then Selwyns would still be the ones responsible for running the services and TfGM wouldn't have direct contact with Belle Vue regarding those services.

It depends which way you look at it. I don’t think one operator can trade contracts with another operator. It was a case of hand them back to TFGM and face financial penalties or find another operator who would take them on at the tender prices agreed and more importantly save some jobs that would have gone otherwise.

[ant17612]

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They’ll probably be handing back the extension they took on from the knocked down factory next door to Sharston depot as a result of this. All seems rather bizarre to go do that then this happens.

[Mrboo]

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If Selwyns dont want to work with TFGM that makes a big issue as RATP have been keen to get in on Manchester bus franchising and so if Selwyns can`t work or burn ties with TFGM RATP would have to find other route to break into Manchester if that time came.

[knutstransport]

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Do Selwyns often use the vehicles used on the school contracts for other work directly contracted with schools - like running kids to the local swimming pool and school trips? If they do then presumably they'll have to give that up as well.

[Y458 KNF]

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(03/03/2020 16:54)Mrboo Wrote:  If Selwyns dont want to work with TFGM that makes a big issue as RATP have been keen to get in on Manchester bus franchising and so if Selwyns can`t work or burn ties with TFGM RATP would have to find other route to break into Manchester if that time came.

Could RATP possibly buy Oldham if they want to get into Manchester.

[Nwales Bus]

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(03/03/2020 18:38)darylyates17 Wrote:  Could RATP possibly buy Oldham if they want to get into Manchester.

RATP have do nor want to operate any non franchised routes. (see recent selling on Yellow Buses in Bornemouth) If Franchising did come to Manchester, they could easily bid as Selwyn and source vehicles/depot space from there

[iMarkeh]

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(03/03/2020 17:15)knutstransport Wrote:  Do Selwyns often use the vehicles used on the school contracts for other work directly contracted with schools - like running kids to the local swimming pool and school trips? If they do then presumably they'll have to give that up as well.

Doubt it as that would be private hire.