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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
For last few years elderly residents have been requesting another a service to be reinstated to serve Coalshaw Green to access the local supermarkets and services which have been impossible since the withdrawal of the 149, 151, 152 from the area.
If TFGM was to introduce a new service or restructure the network could they look at reconnecting Coalshaw Green again to the nearby local amenities to help the elderly and disabled to access them more easily?
The network is complete shambles in Oldham which is so disjointed and confusing to use, you have got the highest percentage of routes sharing on the route when there are underbussed areas needing a functional service.
With the 183 services it a total waste of resources from Oldham Hospital as 9 times out of ten carry any passengers so this route could be better used by extending the route to Newton Heath.
It about time some serious investment and common sense was put on to Oldham Network to sort out is bus network and make it all work and connect people once again instead of the crazy paving route network we have today
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
(02/11/2020 06:38)Mikeonthebuses Wrote: For last few years elderly residents have been requesting another a service to be reinstated to serve Coalshaw Green to access the local supermarkets and services which have been impossible since the withdrawal of the 149, 151, 152 from the area.
If TFGM was to introduce a new service or restructure the network could they look at reconnecting Coalshaw Green again to the nearby local amenities to help the elderly and disabled to access them more easily?
The network is complete shambles in Oldham which is so disjointed and confusing to use, you have got the highest percentage of routes sharing on the route when there are underbussed areas needing a functional service.
With the 183 services it a total waste of resources from Oldham Hospital as 9 times out of ten carry any passengers so this route could be better used by extending the route to Newton Heath.
It about time some serious investment and common sense was put on to Oldham Network to sort out is bus network and make it all work and connect people once again instead of the crazy paving route network we have today
Coalshaw Green has the 81 which links to Harpurhey Shopping Centre. Other than that, I can't find any other supermarkets close by which are public transport linked (at least close enough for the elderly people to be satisfied) so you would be looking at new services taking obscure routes.
I think using the 'you have got the highest percentage of routes sharing on the route when there are underbussed areas needing a functional service.' is an easy cop out for Manchester. It is well known and is oven proven that if a bus isn't viable, it is cut so the arguement that areas are overbussed is kind of false. Why would any company run more buses than they have to (except right now where central gov is funding it until buses get back to 100% usage)
The 183 I agree with you on though. It's 90% duplicated by other services and funds could be better spent. I can see Lime Green Road complaining though so you'd need to divert perhaps the 159 to serve the estate (instead of Mersey Road North and the first part of Manchester Road). The issue with this is the journey time is 2 mins longer and so you would need to link it onto another route because it would be too tight on layover (perhaps like it into the 415 tender).
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
GMCA bus service sub-committee meeting coming up next week. Documentation available from this evening:
From 8 November 2020
- 397 (Go Goodwins): New service introduced, running between Newton Heath and Ashton-under-Lyne, replacing the withdrawn 396 section between Newton Heath and Hathershaw before running direct into Ashton. Service to run every 90 minutes Monday-Saturday daytime.
From 31 January 2021
- 41A (Stagecoach): Evening and Sunday service to be withdrawn and partly replaced by new journeys on service 335 and recently extended service 389.
- 231 (Stagecoach) and 232 (Stagecoach): Service 232 proposed to be withdrawn and replaced by service 231.
- 335 (Stagecoach): New evening and Sunday service proposed to be introduced, running between Ashton-under-Lyne and Denton, via Dukinfield, partly replacing service 41A.
- 336/337 (Stagecoach): The final Sunday evening journey on service 336 proposed to be withdrawn with resources reallocated to new weekend morning journeys on service 337.
- 339 (Stagecoach): Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every 2 hours, while new evening service introduced
- 342 (Stagecoach): New Sunday daytime service proposed to be introduced, running every 2 hours between 1030 and 1630.
- 387 (Stagecoach): New Sunday daytime service proposed to be introduced, running every 2 hours between 0945 and 1745.
- 389 (Stagecoach): The 2320 journey from Ashton is proposed to be withdrawn on Sunday evenings, while curtailed to run to Yew Tree Estate only on other days, rather than returning to Ashton.
- 396 (Stagecoach): Evening and Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every 2 hours and also extended to run to/from Middleton via Fitton Hill and Chadderton.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
(05/11/2020 22:34)SF07 Wrote: GMCA bus service sub-committee meeting coming up next week. Documentation available from this evening:
From 8 November 2020
- 397 (Go Goodwins): New service introduced, running between Newton Heath and Ashton-under-Lyne, replacing the withdrawn 396 section between Newton Heath and Hathershaw before running direct into Ashton. Service to run every 90 minutes Monday-Saturday daytime.
From 31 January 2021
- 41A (Stagecoach): Evening and Sunday service to be withdrawn and partly replaced by new journeys on service 335 and recently extended service 389.
- 231 (Stagecoach) and 232 (Stagecoach): Service 232 proposed to be withdrawn and replaced by service 231.
- 335 (Stagecoach): New evening and Sunday service proposed to be introduced, running between Ashton-under-Lyne and Denton, via Dukinfield, partly replacing service 41A.
- 336/337 (Stagecoach): The final Sunday evening journey on service 336 proposed to be withdrawn with resources reallocated to new weekend morning journeys on service 337.
- 339 (Stagecoach): Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every 2 hours, while new evening service introduced
- 342 (Stagecoach): New Sunday daytime service proposed to be introduced, running every 2 hours between 1030 and 1630.
- 387 (Stagecoach): New Sunday daytime service proposed to be introduced, running every 2 hours between 0945 and 1745.
- 389 (Stagecoach): The 2320 journey from Ashton is proposed to be withdrawn on Sunday evenings, while curtailed to run to Yew Tree Estate only on other days, rather than returning to Ashton.
- 396 (Stagecoach): Evening and Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every 2 hours and also extended to run to/from Middleton via Fitton Hill and Chadderton.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf
Wonder if Goodwins will be given additional green TFGM hybrids currently in storage for the new 397 service.
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
(06/11/2020 12:31)Mayneway Wrote: Wonder if Goodwins will be given additional green TFGM hybrids currently in storage for the new 397 service.
Aye that's a possibility.
They shouldn't need too much work to get them up to scratch again.
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
(07/11/2020 18:53)33109 Wrote: Aye that's a possibility.
They shouldn't need too much work to get them up to scratch again.
The all need lots of work, hence them still sitting there. However there’s one refurbished Solo in the pack, KCG which I’m sure TFGM will want back on the road so wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the one possibly reserected.
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
(06/11/2020 12:31)Mayneway Wrote: Wonder if Goodwins will be given additional green TFGM hybrids currently in storage for the new 397 service.
Don’t forget they also have those former Airport Metrocities, could one of these become a regular?
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
397 seems to have attracted some passengers, despite there being no timetable leaflet available and the bus stops not showing the service. 396 still listed on the 397 route and 419 still listed on the new 396 route.
There was a road closure on Monday evening, with TfGM listing at the bus stops that the 84 and 396 were diverted, which was wrong for two reasons: a) 396 doesn't run beyond Limehurst Farm during evenings and b) it was on the old 396 route.
Managed to decipher the timetable for the 397 via the TfGM timetable page. Looks like one vehicle is required to run the service
From Newton Heath: 0645 (weekdays only), 0755, 0945, 1115, 1245, 1415, 1545, 1715 (weekdays only).
Journey time to Failsworth Tesco: 9 minutes
Journey time to Hollinwood: 14 minutes
Journey time to Garden Suburb: 18 minutes
Journey time to Hathershaw: 20 minutes
Journey time to Ashton-under-Lyne: 30 minutes
From Ashton-under-Lyne: 0720 (weekdays only), 0902, 1032, 1202, 1332, 1502, 1632, 1802 (weekdays only)
Journey time to Hathershaw: 9 minutes
Journey time to Garden Suburb: 12 minutes
Journey time to Hollinwood: 16 minutes
Journey time to Failsworth Tesco: 21 minutes
Journey time to Newton Heath: 32 minutes
https://twitter.com/cllrsfielding/status...0625854464
https://tfgm.com/bus/timetables?routeId=...under-Lyne
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Stagecoach re-timing their services from next Sunday (29 November) with reductions to weekday timetables on services 197, 237, 256, 314 and 346 (256, 314 and 346 also reduction on Saturday timetables), while services 51 and 102 are withdrawn.
Holiday weekday timetables will apply to other services in the run-up to Christmas.
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...ember-2020
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RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Some details of forthcoming changes to services, which are currently scheduled for 31 January (could possibly be delayed due to lockdown) and 11 April 2021 from the next GMCA Bus Committee meeting
From 31 January 2021
- 6 (First): The Sunday daytime service is restored to a half-hourly basis (currently reduced to hourly due to Covid)
- 29 (Diamond): Some journeys are extended from Boothstown to Booths Hall Estate, partly replacing service VH1.
- 36/37 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime services restored to every 10 minutes each (currently reduced to every 12 minutes due to Covid).
- 58 (First): The service, which was temporarily suspended due to Covid, will be permanently withdrawn. Service 408 is extended from Shaw to Rochdale. Shaw-Oldham covered by service 57.
- 74 Salford (Diamond): The 0618 journey from Salford Shopping Centre will be re-routed via Agecroft Enterprise Park
- 182 (First): Service curtailed to run between Shaw and Manchester only, with the Rochdale-Shaw section covered by service 408.
- 217 (Diamond): Re-routed away from Roundwood Road and will run along Princess Parkway instead
300 (Diamond): Saturday only service re-timed to run 15 minutes later and re-numbered to X22.
- 408 (First): Service proposed to be extended from Shaw to Rochdale via Buckstones (in both directions), Newhey and Milnrow
- 583 (Diamond): The early evening journeys operated by Diamond are withdrawn
- 607/608 (Diamond): Service re-routed via Sougher Road instead of Dryden Avenue. Journeys via Nicol Road are re-numbered 608.
- 635 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime service extended to Wigan Royal Albert Edward Infirmary
- Fast Trax (Rosso): The Fast Trax service, which was temporarily suspended due to Covid, will be permanently withdrawn. Services 467/468 continue to provide frequent service between Bury and Rochdale
- VH1 (Diamond): Withdrawn due to end of developer funding. Partly replaced by service 29
From 11 April 2021
- 41 (Go North West/Stagecoach): The evening service, which is currently ran in two sections (Middleton-Manchester and Manchester-Sale) is proposed to be re-timed and merged into one through route.
- 44 (TBC): New service introduced, replacing the 217 route between Manchester and Wythenshawe Hospital.
- 80 (Stagecoach): Proposed to be withdrawn and partly replaced by service 184
- 94 (TBC): Route proposed to be extended to Bury, replacing service 492, restoring a previous link between NMGH, Prestwich, Pilsworth and Bury lost in 2015.
- 103 (Stagecoach): Service proposed to be curtailed to terminate at Manchester Airport Interchange instead of Cargo Centre, which is served by service 313.
- 151 (TBC): Proposed to be extended from Failsworth to Ashton-under-Lyne via existing 397 route via Hollinwood, Hollins and Hathershaw. Propps Hall Drive between Clive Road and Marlborough Road would no longer be served.
- 184 (TBC): Evening service between Grotton, Lees, Greenacres and Oldham proposed to be introduced to replace the existing service 80.
- 217 (TBC): Proposed to be curtailed to run between Ashton and Manchester only, with the Manchester-Wythenshawe Hospital section covered by new service 44.
- 248 (Go Goodwins): Proposed to be withdrawn
- 335 (TBC): New two-hourly evening and Sunday service proposed to be introduced between Ashton and Denton, partly replacing service 41A.
- 336/337 (TBC): The Monday-Saturday daytime service will become wholly supported and a revised timetable is proposed
- 345 (TBC): Evening and Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every two hours.
- 389 (TBC): The Monday-Saturday daytime service will become wholly supported and a revised timetable is proposed
- 397 (Go Goodwins): The service, introduced in November 2020, is proposed to be merged with service 151 and operate between Ashton-under-Lyne and NMGH via Hathershaw, Hollinwood, Failsworth, Newton Heath and Harpurhey
- 492 (Tyrers): The service, introduced in October 2020, is proposed to be merged with service 94 and operate between Bury and NMGH via Pilsworth, Prestwich and Cheetham Hill
- 510 (Arriva/Transdev) and 511 (Diamond): Evening and Sunday journeys on service 510 proposed to be replaced by journeys on service 511 instead. Operator TBC.
- 521 (TBC): Proposed to be re-routed to serve Logistics North with evening and Sunday journeys introduced between Farnworth and Westhoughton via Logistics North.
- 536 (Vision Bus): Proposed to be withdrawn and replaced by service 511
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...0A%201.pdf
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