Greater Manchester Service Changes

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(08/01/2021 20:50)SF07 Wrote:  Some details of forthcoming changes to services, which are currently scheduled for 31 January (could possibly be delayed due to lockdown) and 11 April 2021 from the next GMCA Bus Committee meeting

From 31 January 2021

• 6 (First): The Sunday daytime service is restored to a half-hourly basis (currently reduced to hourly due to Covid)
• 29 (Diamond): Some journeys are extended from Boothstown to Booths Hall Estate, partly replacing service VH1.
• 36/37 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime services restored to every 10 minutes each (currently reduced to every 12 minutes due to Covid).
• 58 (First): The service, which was temporarily suspended due to Covid, will be permanently withdrawn. Service 408 is extended from Shaw to Rochdale. Shaw-Oldham covered by service 57.
• 74 Salford (Diamond): The 0618 journey from Salford Shopping Centre will be re-routed via Agecroft Enterprise Park
• 182 (First): Service curtailed to run between Shaw and Manchester only, with the Rochdale-Shaw section covered by service 408.
• 217 (Diamond): Re-routed away from Roundwood Road and will run along Princess Parkway instead
  300 (Diamond): Saturday only service re-timed to run 15 minutes later and re-numbered to X22.
• 408 (First): Service proposed to be extended from Shaw to Rochdale via Buckstones (in both directions), Newhey and Milnrow
• 583 (Diamond): The early evening journeys operated by Diamond are withdrawn
• 607/608 (Diamond): Service re-routed via Sougher Road instead of Dryden Avenue. Journeys via Nicol Road are re-numbered 608.
• 635 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime service extended to Wigan Royal Albert Edward Infirmary
• Fast Trax (Rosso): The Fast Trax service, which was temporarily suspended due to Covid, will be permanently withdrawn. Services 467/468 continue to provide frequent service between Bury and Rochdale
• VH1 (Diamond): Withdrawn due to end of developer funding. Partly replaced by service 29
  

From 11 April 2021

• 41 (Go North West/Stagecoach): The evening service, which is currently ran in two sections (Middleton-Manchester and Manchester-Sale) is proposed to be re-timed and merged into one through route.
• 44 (TBC): New service introduced, replacing the 217 route between Manchester and Wythenshawe Hospital.
• 80 (Stagecoach): Proposed to be withdrawn and partly replaced by service 184
• 94 (TBC): Route proposed to be extended to Bury, replacing service 492, restoring a previous link between NMGH, Prestwich, Pilsworth and Bury lost in 2015.
• 103 (Stagecoach): Service proposed to be curtailed to terminate at Manchester Airport Interchange instead of Cargo Centre, which is served by service 313.
• 151 (TBC): Proposed to be extended from Failsworth to Ashton-under-Lyne via existing 397 route via Hollinwood, Hollins and Hathershaw. Propps Hall Drive between Clive Road and Marlborough Road would no longer be served.
• 184 (TBC): Evening service between Grotton, Lees, Greenacres and Oldham proposed to be introduced to replace the existing service 80.
• 217 (TBC): Proposed to be curtailed to run between Ashton and Manchester only, with the Manchester-Wythenshawe Hospital section covered by new service 44.
• 248 (Go Goodwins): Proposed to be withdrawn
• 335 (TBC): New two-hourly evening and Sunday service proposed to be introduced between Ashton and Denton, partly replacing service 41A.
• 336/337 (TBC): The Monday-Saturday daytime service will become wholly supported and a revised timetable is proposed
• 345 (TBC): Evening and Sunday service proposed to be reduced to every two hours.
• 389 (TBC): The Monday-Saturday daytime service will become wholly supported and a revised timetable is proposed
• 397 (Go Goodwins): The service, introduced in November 2020, is proposed to be merged with service 151 and operate between Ashton-under-Lyne and NMGH via Hathershaw, Hollinwood, Failsworth, Newton Heath and Harpurhey
• 492 (Tyrers): The service, introduced in October 2020, is proposed to be merged with service 94 and operate between Bury and NMGH via Pilsworth, Prestwich and Cheetham Hill
• 510 (Arriva/Transdev) and 511 (Diamond): Evening and Sunday journeys on service 510 proposed to be replaced by journeys on service 511 instead. Operator TBC.
• 521 (TBC): Proposed to be re-routed to serve Logistics North with evening and Sunday journeys introduced between Farnworth and Westhoughton via Logistics North.
• 536 (Vision Bus): Proposed to be withdrawn and replaced by service 511
  

https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...0A%201.pdf

So surprise regarding the changes to the 217 and reintroduction of the 44. 18 will be next reverting to its old original route.

Also no surprise that the Ashton daytime circulars are being subsidised. First gave them up for a reason and the changes Stagecoach made haven’t really worked. Bring back the old 38/39 routes and run the 389 through to Hyde again.

[Mrboo]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Was it not the Propps Hall Drive area the reason the 397 was put in place after the loss of 396? As rest of 396 was covered by other routes so only need 1 change of bus on H/F routes

https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/news/18...s-service/

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(08/01/2021 23:38)Mrboo Wrote:  Was it not the Propps Hall Drive area the reason the 397 was put in place after the loss of 396? As rest of 396 was covered by other routes so only need 1 change of bus on H/F routes

https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/news/18...s-service/

Apparently the councillor belived it was important to keep a link with Ashton. TFGM provided data to show very few travelled all the way to Ashton but agreed after the intervention of Angela Raynor MP to run a temporary shuttle then go back and show data to suggest nobody was using it so they could axe it, but despite the pandemic it has been used to are seeking a permanent solution.

Don’t forget the 44 wasn’t carrying so was axed as was the 387 and now suddenly there making a return.

[Mrboo]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
the 151 going to be a long route. about 90mins but will mean it will go back to every hour as the 397 cant be every hour with 1 bus. should really of been looked at interwork with the 76 with stagecoach running from Manchester to Ashton giving limeside a ashton bus.

[M60lad]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
The 151 has always been a long route in one way or another since it was first implemented in the late 80s early 90s when it originally ran from Chadderton-Higher Blackley via various Housing Estates in Chadderton, Failsworth and Moston, then it got extended Cheetham Hill Mandley Park via a loop round Cheetham Hill taking in Queens Road and North Manchester General Hospital.

The only other interesting change is Diamond putting their 36/37 back to every 10mins making a combined 5min service from Walkden Stocks to Manchester at the end of this month when some other operators like Transdev Blazefield are now reducing services due to lack of passengers in the current Tier 4/Lockdown.

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(09/01/2021 07:30)M60lad Wrote:  The 151 has always been a long route in one way or another since it was first implemented in the late 80s early 90s when it originally ran from Chadderton-Higher Blackley via various Housing Estates in Chadderton, Failsworth and Moston, then it got extended Cheetham Hill Mandley Park via a loop round Cheetham Hill taking in Queens Road and North Manchester General Hospital.

The only other interesting change is Diamond putting their 36/37 back to every 10mins making a combined 5min service from Walkden Stocks to Manchester at the end of this month when some other operators like Transdev Blazefield are now reducing services due to lack of passengers in the current Tier 4/Lockdown.

Can see a lot of the changes being put on hold. All of the former MCT contracts are up for renewal in April wouldn’t be surprised if they are simply extended and retained by current operators.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(08/01/2021 22:11)Mayneway Wrote:  So surprise regarding the changes to the 217 and reintroduction of the 44. 18 will be next reverting to its old original route.

Also no surprise that the Ashton daytime circulars are being subsidised. First gave them up for a reason and the changes Stagecoach made haven’t really worked. Bring back the old 38/39 routes and run the 389 through to Hyde again.

217/44 has specific mention in the document that it was introduced as a Diamond efficiency measure. Splitting the route COULD save money in the long run if 2 different operators run the routes (Stotts may not have the resources for a 4 bus tender but may have them for a 2 bus tender. The higher the tender PVR, the less bidders you get and then the more the service costs).

As for your Ashton suggestion, what does that look like in terms of PVR compared to current?

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(09/01/2021 14:30)iMarkeh Wrote:  217/44 has specific mention in the document that it was introduced as a Diamond efficiency measure. Splitting the route COULD save money in the long run if 2 different operators run the routes (Stotts may not have the resources for a 4 bus tender but may have them for a 2 bus tender. The higher the tender PVR, the less bidders you get and then the more the service costs).

As for your Ashton suggestion, what does that look like in terms of PVR compared to current?

The 217 and 44 should have always been left how they were, as should the 18. All you do by combining the routes is to make them more unreliable.
Not sure what the current PVR is on the Ashton circulars but originally it was a closed door deal where first pulled off and stagecoach registered on the same day - most probably negotiated by TFGM to save them some money only it’s not worked.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(09/01/2021 16:48)Mayneway Wrote:  The 217 and 44 should have always been left how they were, as should the 18. All you do by combining the routes is to make them more unreliable.
Not sure what the current PVR is on the Ashton circulars but originally it was a closed door deal where first pulled off and stagecoach registered on the same day - most probably negotiated by TFGM to save them some money only it’s not worked.

The 18 changes has enabled the service to become an outer circular in many ways and has opened up many journey opportunities which weren't available without changes.

217/44 was a good operational efficiency from Diamond to reduce driver shunt cars. I am interested to see how it gets split as the 44 section timings look very tight for it to be standalone.

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(09/01/2021 17:17)iMarkeh Wrote:  The 18 changes has enabled the service to become an outer circular in many ways and has opened up many journey opportunities which weren't available without changes.

217/44 was a good operational efficiency from Diamond to reduce driver shunt cars. I am interested to see how it gets split as the 44 section timings look very tight for it to be standalone.

Either way the changes haven’t worked and it’s to revert back to how it was. It will have to be stand alone as both the 217 and 44 are being tendered seperatly.