Warrington's Own Buses

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington

(14/04/2016 17:33)Katie Wrote:  You are right with your assumptions that from the 30th April NW will run an hourly service alternating the 45 ans 46 services i.e. each route having in effect a bus every two hours. It is I suppose a return to the position before GHA arrived in Warrington. I understand the new timetables will b e available early next week. It may well be that the Northwich buses will leave the Warrington Interchange at 30 minutes past the hour and the number 8 will change to hourly from the interchange.

Nice to know
Out of interest, did you get this information by emailing Network Warrington directly?

[knutstransport]

RE: WBT Network Warrington

(14/04/2016 17:33)Katie Wrote:  You are right with your assumptions that from the 30th April NW will run an hourly service alternating the 45 ans 46 services i.e. each route having in effect a bus every two hours. It is I suppose a return to the position before GHA arrived in Warrington. I understand the new timetables will b e available early next week. It may well be that the Northwich buses will leave the Warrington Interchange at 30 minutes past the hour and the number 8 will change to hourly from the interchange.

Prior to GHA starting Northwich-Warrington services there were more 45 services than 46 services. Part of the 46 service fulfils a contract NW have with Cheshire West council so I think they just ran enough on the 46 route to fulfil that contract.

The 289 service provides an infrequent service between Wincham and Northwich via Lostock Gralam, as well as what the 45 provides so I imagine to be of most benefit to passengers the 46 should run the hours when the 289 runs so that there's at least 1 Wincham-Northwich service every hour. Although, as GHA currently have the 289 contract I wouldn't be surprised if NW choose to pretend the 289 doesn't exist. I think it should be this year when the 289 contract comes up for renewal so it might transfer to another operator - it does seem to be a route which doesn't stay with the same operator for long.

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington

(14/04/2016 18:28)knutstransport Wrote:  Prior to GHA starting Northwich-Warrington services there were more 45 services than 46 services. Part of the 46 service fulfils a contract NW have with Cheshire West council so I think they just ran enough on the 46 route to fulfil that contract.

The 289 service provides an infrequent service between Wincham and Northwich via Lostock Gralam, as well as what the 45 provides so I imagine to be of most benefit to passengers the 46 should run the hours when the 289 runs so that there's at least 1 Wincham-Northwich service every hour. Although, as GHA currently have the 289 contract I wouldn't be surprised if NW choose to pretend the 289 doesn't exist. I think it should be this year when the 289 contract comes up for renewal so it might transfer to another operator - it does seem to be a route which doesn't stay with the same operator for long.

Thing is though, IIRC the 289 runs every 2hrs 45mins, so it would be a pain to try and co-ordinate with, espc. if Warrington wants to maintain the Warrington to Stockton Heath 'every 10 mins during the day' status.
Achieving an hourly service between Wincham and Northwich wouldn't be possible, but theoretically one every 55 minutes would ... but that might just be a bit weird.
I think the contract for the 46 states that they have to provide a certain number of journeys, which they might not be able to do if they were to run the 46 every 2hrs 45mins.
If the 289 were to go 3-hourly, they might be able to work something out maybe ... ?

[knutstransport]

RE: WBT Network Warrington
The 289 was every 2 hr 30 but after the 47 service was cutback a local councillor got it re-routed via High Legh so that High Legh still had a few services to Knutsford each day which added around 7 minutes to the journey time in each direction.

[Katie]

RE: WBT Network Warrington

(14/04/2016 18:14)Valandil Wrote:  Nice to know
Out of interest, did you get this information by emailing Network Warrington directly?

Further details are on theNORTHWICHguardian websiTE

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington

(17/04/2016 18:41)Katie Wrote:  Further details are on theNORTHWICHguardian websiTE

Here's the link for anyone interested:
http://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/...arrington/

Looks like the 45/46 will be broadly sticking to departing Warrington on the hour during the day (based on the Saturday times given) and assumedly the 8's would also stick with their departure time of 30 minutes past the hour.
I was thinking that the most likely reason for an alteration to the 8' at the same time as the 45/46 being altered is interworking, e.g. we could see an 8 to Stretton in the afternoon which then comes back to town as a 46.

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington
The change to the 28's from early next month seems just to be a minor amendment to the 28A, as follows:
66
Leigh – Warrington
Run by Network Warrington. The Monday to Friday journey at 1751 from Warrington is retimed to run 9 minutes later.
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Source: http://www.tfgm.com/buses/Pages/service_changes.aspx

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington
From the timetable which now appears on Traveline:

MF departures from Warrington, the first being a 46 then alternating between the two services:
0627 0734 0900 1000 1100 1200 1257 1400 1530 1630 1730

MF departures from Northwich, the first being a 45 then alternating between the two services:
0713 0858 0953 1053 1153 1253 1353 1453 1653 1730 1830

There are additional departures on the 46 at 0830 and 1500 to Stretton.

[knutstransport]

RE: WBT Network Warrington
Combined with the 289 that makes the services between Northwich and Wincham as follows:

Departures from Northwich for Wincham:
06:55, 07:19, 09:35, 09:59, 11:59, 12:20, 13:59, 15:00, 16:57, 17:45, 18:30

Departures from Wincham for Northwich:
08:11, 09:15, 10:34, 11:56, 12:34, 14:34, 14:37, 17:09, 17:21, 20:01

Looks reasonable from Northwich overall especially with 3 departures in 95 minutes in the evening peak. Less ideal from Wincham with only one pre-9am departure for Northwich and two buses one after the other in the afternoon then the next one not for 2.5 hours.

[Valandil]

RE: WBT Network Warrington
As far as I can work out from Traveline, there is to be no service between Westbrook and Burtonwood (and Collins Green) after the next set of Warrington changes, when Network Warrington's routes 33(A) will be withdrawn.