Route History

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RE: Route History

(16/05/2019 10:39)Gillmoss 0324 Wrote:  Interesting L544. Might be answering my own question but I take it there were other examples of LCPT/MPTE, Crosville and Ribble having exclusive rights to operate on certain roads/area's. Suppose Arriva not operating into Kirkby and Stagecoach into Speke is a unofficial modern day version of that.

Is this one of the reasons many of Crosville's 'H' routes in Liverpool were limited stop on the main corridors like Prescot Road etc.

Also interesting that the original 53 service is not really like the current one either but was more like the 92/62/63 services that emerged after de-regulation.

Speaking of extremely long-Ribble routes from years ago I remember riding one their ECW Atlantean's on what I think was the 203 route from Kirkby Admin to Skelhorne Street one Sunday in 1986 just before de-reg which turned up before a 19 or whatever MPTE bus we needed did. I'm this sure went via Melling, Maghull, Lunt, Ince Blundell Great Crosby/Crosby, (maybe Blundellsands), Waterloo, Seaforth, Bootle and Kirkdale. At the time thought it even went into Ormskirk/Skem etc. but can't see no route on the 1980's maps that ever did that. End to End started the route around 5pm/6pm and got off at least after 9pm absolute monster of a route that one and something which would quickly disappear a few weeks later.

If it was that 203 did it run hourly or something and was it a all week service or something abit more obscure?

There was such an agreement, it's in my Liverpool Transport vol 5 book, the Liverpool area was drawn into zones, zone A, exclusive to Liverpool Corporation Passenger Transport, zone B, joint operation LCPT with company buses, zone C exclusive to company buses, Crosby was zone C, so exclusive to Ribble, Netherton zone B so that's why there was joint Ribble/LCPT services, Ribble & Crosville came to agreement, they shouldn't operate in each others territory the boundary was Prescot Road, although Ribble & Crosville had joint services such as 301/319/319 Southport-Warrington