Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

[H101GEV (Administrator)]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(16/10/2021 19:55)DVG526 Wrote:  More small buses for LS. Funny that as soon as deckers are needed for a Liverpool route (47) all of a sudden a batch of Enviro 400s becomes available..

The 47 has needed double deckers for years and, even now, it has only received them due to a short-term frequency reduction.

I'd suggest the current allocation of 42 deckers at Laird Street is rather generous, especially for routes like the 407 and 464.

[SK15 GZG (Moderator)]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(16/10/2021 19:55)DVG526 Wrote:  More small buses for LS. Funny that as soon as deckers are needed for a Liverpool route (47) all of a sudden a batch of Enviro 400s becomes available..

At least Birkenhead's always had the luxury of deckers. There's plenty of Liverpool routes (10/10A/10B, 12/13, 14, 15, 18, 26/27, 47, 52/52A, 79) which went without them for far too long...

[trixmax2000]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(16/10/2021 17:43)motormayhem1 Wrote:  4 have already gone to get done as well as 4595 and 4601 from St helens with 2 more from St helens going next week.

First of the st Helens ones go to Thornton's Ashington in the North East

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(16/10/2021 20:33)SK15 GZG Wrote:  At least Birkenhead's always had the luxury of deckers. There's plenty of Liverpool routes (10/10A/10B, 12/13, 14, 15, 18, 26/27, 47, 52/52A, 79) which went without them for far too long...

At least they don't have Solo's unlike St Helens.

[DVG526]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(16/10/2021 20:33)SK15 GZG Wrote:  At least Birkenhead's always had the luxury of deckers. There's plenty of Liverpool routes (10/10A/10B, 12/13, 14, 15, 18, 26/27, 47, 52/52A, 79) which went without them for far too long...

Cross Rivers need deckers especially Heswalls. 4489/90/91 would have been good additions to work alongside the Hybrids seeing as Speke are flush for deckers at the moment, they deserve to be on more than 79/82s being high spec.

[MPTE1955]

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Wouldn't say Speke were flush for deckers, those three were replacements for the 3 Enviro400's that went to Bootle. Plus they have just lost more to Southport.

[SK15 GZG (Moderator)]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot

(17/10/2021 08:58)DVG526 Wrote:  Cross Rivers need deckers especially Heswalls.

I haven't said the cross river routes don't need deckers. My point was that Birkenhead has always had a sufficient amount of deckers whereas it's only been since 2015 (2011 for the 79) that the vast majority of Liverpool's busiest routes have finally had buses of the correct capacity. Even now the 17 and 26/27 still need deckers but at least they're on the horizon for the latter

Birkenhead depot really isn't as hard done by as you seem to think it is

(17/10/2021 08:58)DVG526 Wrote:  4489/90/91 would have been good additions to work alongside the Hybrids seeing as Speke are flush for deckers at the moment, they deserve to be on more than 79/82s being high spec.

So Liverpool doesn't deserve nice buses then?

[Barney]

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(17/10/2021 11:00)SK15 GZG Wrote:  I haven't said the cross river routes don't need deckers. My point was that Birkenhead has always had a sufficient amount of deckers whereas it's only been since 2015 (2011 for the 79) that the vast majority of Liverpool's busiest routes have finally had buses of the correct capacity. Even now the 17 and 26/27 still need deckers but at least they're on the horizon for the latter
Birkenhead depot really isn't as hard done by as you seem to think it is
So Liverpool doesn't deserve nice buses then?

The issue of insufficient capacity on many Merseyside routes stems from Arriva's acquisition of MTL. Soon after, Arriva adopted a policy purchasing single deck vehicles, first Dennis Darts and subsequently Cadets and Commanders and then Pulsars as replacements for the ageing Atlanteans, Titans and Volvos.

With the exception of some gas buses for Runcorn, BYDs for Green Lane and a few Streetlites Arriva has now adopted a policy of buying deckers for its core routes and I cannot see this policy changing in the near future.

[H101GEV (Administrator)]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot
I take issue with the implication that Cross-River services are somehow worth more than the 79 and 82. The LS hybrids have by far the worst vandalism of any Merseyside-based deckers, so if anything, care should be taken with allocating higher-spec buses on Cross-River routes.

[Harryn9000]

RE: Arriva North West - Birkenhead Depot
the problem with certain depots is that the buses bought for certain routes don't stay on there, even now 52s still get pulsars on them