Greater Manchester Tenders

[knutstransport]

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(01/03/2022 13:48)Solo40336 Wrote:  You can't smell the difference between Euro 5 or 6, take it from someone who has spent 40 hours a week for the last decade breathing in buses exhaust fumes and who has been heavily involved in the Euro 6 retrofits across various GM fleets, If I stood next to a Euro 5 or 6 bus with my eyes closed, I couldn't tell either apart, so neither can a bus station inspector.

Well maybe D&G have designated drivers for Euro V and Euro VI vehicles and they have different driving styles. Both SL64 JGU and YX14 RZA went past me at lunchtime today. The first while going up a hill, the second on a flat road and I noticed an exhaust smell from the second but not the first. Strange it was that way around, if you can't smell the difference isn't it?

[Paul_Turner]

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(28/02/2022 22:20)Mayneway Wrote:  Only school contracts and some regular contracts have specified euro 6. Stagecoach, GNW and many others are still using non Euro 6 vehicles.
I know when I drive tendered services TFGM supervisors sometimes check the age of the Vehicle being used but how would they know if an engine was euro 6 or not?

All contracts awarded since at least Sept 21 require Euro 6. Operators declare emissions status in the fleet lists supplied to TFGM.

[dounowhoiam]

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Can confirm that Euro 6 is a requirement from TfGM. Have a copy of a Service Specification document for the new 44 starting on 24th April for 3 yr 3 day, with max age rating of 15 years and min euro rating of 6.0. Also min capacity of 57.

Also it is expected that Manchester departures will be typically 21 mins past the hour from 6:21 to 18:21 (7:01 is different time) and Altrincham departure at 52 past (6:52 to 17:52). Sadly no mention of operator from what I can see.

[M60lad]

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So if the min capacity is going to be 57 then whoever is going to be running 44 will have to run it with either full size singles or double deckers be interesting to see who has won the new 44 contract/tender and what vehicles they will use.

[knutstransport]

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(03/03/2022 06:32)M60lad Wrote:  So if the min capacity is going to be 57 then whoever is going to be running 44 will have to run it with either full size singles or double deckers be interesting to see who has won the new 44 contract/tender and what vehicles they will use.

It would be strange for a contracted service to require 57 seats on every journey. Maybe the 57 relates to journeys which will carry school pupils, who won't pay full fare but will need a considerable number of seats.

I think a decker running a 44 from Altrincham to Manchester will be a bit like the old 378 running from Wilmslow. For much of the day you'll be able to count the number of passengers on it leaving Altrincham on your fingers.

[Mrboo]

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Long Single Decker not even a stock Enviro200 with 11.8m length as has 43 seats

[iMarkeh]

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There is a key bit of information missing here. Is this a 57 seats or overall capacity 57.

Different areas do it differently. Of course 57 capacity would mean a stock 8.9m 200MMC would be fine to use (30 seats + 27 standing according to Chartwell Bus Sales)

[knutstransport]

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(03/03/2022 14:34)iMarkeh Wrote:  There is a key bit of information missing here. Is this a 57 seats or overall capacity 57.

Different areas do it differently. Of course 57 capacity would mean a stock 8.9m 200MMC would be fine to use (30 seats + 27 standing according to Chartwell Bus Sales)

Now you say that I'm sure someone said before that TfGM contract based on total capacity, unlike Cheshire East who contract on number of seats.

[SF07]

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Some more proposed changes to services next month (24 April):

• 17 (Go North West): Saturday service reduced to every 12 minutes
• 18 (Go North West): Weekday journeys reduced to every 30 minutes between Shudehill and MRI (every 10 minutes between Langley and Shudehill). Saturday journeys reduced to every 12 minutes between Langley and Shudehill with two journeys per hour continuing to MRI.
• 41 (Go North West): Monday-Saturday daytime service reduced to every 20 minutes between Sale and NMGH with one per hour continuing to Middleton.
• 88 (Little Gem): Sunday journeys withdrawn. No changes to D&G Bus' Monday-Saturday daytime service.
• 92 (Go North West): Withdrawn. Route covered by services 93, 94, 95 and 97.
• 93 (Go North West): All journeys to run between Carr Clough and Manchester, running every 20 minutes Monday-Saturday daytime and every 30 minutes Sunday daytime. Carr Clough-Prestwich/Bury partly covered by service 95. Evening service proposed to be curtailed to run between Carr Clough and Manchester.
• 95 (Go North West): Monday-Saturday daytime journeys increased to every 30 minutes. Sunday service proposed to be increased to hourly. All commercial journeys re-routed in Bury via Market Street and Parkhills Road instead of Manchester Road with tendered journeys proposed to be re-routed along same route.
• 97 (Go North West): Monday-Saturday daytime service reduced to every 30 minutes. Possible evening service introduced, partly replacing service 93.
• 98 (Go North West): Monday-Saturday daytime service reduced to every 30 minutes between Bury and Manchester with additional short journeys between Prestwich and Manchester introduced to maintain a 10 minute frequency.
• 237 (Stagecoach): Service temporarily re-timed due to roadworks in Mottram from 4 April for 19 weeks
• 254 (TBC - Arriva?): The new proposed service between Stretford and Davyhulme via Urmston will have additional journeys at 0708 (weekdays) from Davyhulme and 1726/1826 (Mon-Sat) from Stretford
• 280 (TBC): In addition to the newly proposed Monday-Saturday daytime service between Altrincham and Sale, a Sunday daytime service will be introduced between Altrincham and Dunham Massey, running every two hours.
• 281 (TBC): Additional journeys introduced from Altrincham at 0645 (weekdays), 0752/1752 (Saturdays) and from Sale at 1852 (weekdays) and 0739/1739 (Saturdays).
• 282 (TBC): Additional journeys introduced at 0620 (weekdays), 0720 (Saturdays), 0838/0938 (Sundays), while evening service is increased to hourly and run 7 days a week.
• 283/284 (TBC): Evening journeys re-timed while Sunday service reduced to every 2 hours. Additional Saturday journeys introduced at 0727 and 1823 from Altrincham.
• 285/286 (TBC): Evening journeys re-timed while Sunday service reduced to every 2 hours. Additional journeys introduced at 0601/0635 weekdays and 0718/0743 Saturdays from Altrincham.
• 287 (TBC): Evening journeys re-timed while Sunday service reduced to every 2 hours.
• 341 (Stotts): Service temporarily re-routed in Hattersley due to roadworks in Mottram from 4 April for 19 weeks
• 387 (Stotts): Service temporarily curtailed to run between Tameside General Hospital and Hyde due to roadworks in Mottram from 4 April for 19 weeks
• 411 (TBC): New proposed service between Oldham and Derker will be re-routed from existing 402 route in order to accommodate larger vehicles. Service will run along the full length of Egerton Street, Shaw Road, Derker Street, London Road and then along current 81 route to Derker.
• 502/503 (Vision Bus): Withdrawn. Partially covered by services 125 and 501.
• 516 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime service proposed to be withdrawn. TfGM to provide a replacement service running at approximately at same times.
• 571/572 (Vision Bus): Daytime journeys withdrawn. Vision Bus to continue to run Sunday evening journeys, while Diamond continue to run Monday-Saturday daytime service. TfGM to provide a replacement Sunday daytime service.
• 580/581 (Vision Bus): Withdrawn. Partially covered by services 20, 501, 521 and 582.
• 583 (Diamond) and 595 (Vision Bus): Both Monday-Saturday daytime services are being withdrawn. TfGM to provide a replacement Monday-Saturday daytime service 583, which runs via the 595 route between Leigh and Dangerous Corner before heading to Atherton and then current 583 route to Tyldesley.
• 584 (Diamond): Monday-Saturday daytime service reduced to hourly with some journeys partly replaced by service 588.
• 588 (Vision Bus/Diamond): Vision Bus withdrawing the service with Diamond introducing a replacement service, partly replacing some journeys on service 584.
• X63 (Go North West): Withdrawn
  

https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf

[knutstransport]

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Also confirmed the 2 hourly Sunday 288 won't continue to be interworked with a 88, with the funding for the 88 being withdrawn.