Greater Manchester Service Changes

[Michael]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(04/10/2022 11:58)Mrboo Wrote:  You would think all routes in Bolton and Wigan are safe with them getting funded until they replan the depots and routes as I can't see tfgm keeping the current network as it stands as they can rework routes and who runs what once they get ownership and time to look at patterns of flows

Bolton & Wigan depots are the first to be franchised...winners announced in December....going live next year....what happens with the 38s & 50s which will be still run commercially because Hyde Rd & sharston are about 18 months behind in the francising....the 38s will be commercial the 36 & 37 francised

[moreton407]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Could someone explain "franchising" to me, I get it that services in the Greater Manchester area will be locally controlled, but what about services that run into Manchester from Warrington, Preston, Halifax etc. How does that work?

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(06/10/2022 10:14)moreton407 Wrote:  Could someone explain "franchising" to me, I get it that services in the Greater Manchester area will be locally controlled, but what about services that run into Manchester from Warrington, Preston, Halifax etc. How does that work?

My understanding (as a driver) is that if the service is run by a Manchester operator, ie the journey starts in Manchester it will fall under the same bracket. So for example the 237 to Glossop will be part of the Tameside franchise. The 100 to Warrington will probably fall under Salford.

[Michael]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(06/10/2022 10:14)moreton407 Wrote:  Could someone explain "franchising" to me, I get it that services in the Greater Manchester area will be locally controlled, but what about services that run into Manchester from Warrington, Preston, Halifax etc. How does that work?

From what iv been told at work...services such as the 464 rochdale to accrington 125 bolton to preston etc will be granted a licence to operate in greater manchester

[moreton407]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
So services operated by Stagecoach Lancashire, Arriva Merseyside and Warrington's Own Buses that operate into the Greater Manchester area would need to have a licence from TFGM/Manchester Mayor?

[Mayneway]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes

(06/10/2022 20:58)moreton407 Wrote:  So services operated by Stagecoach Lancashire, Arriva Merseyside and Warrington's Own Buses that operate into the Greater Manchester area would need to have a licence from TFGM/Manchester Mayor?

They would continue as they do now and wouldn’t be included in any franchising package.

[Mrboo]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
But lets look at the 125. Tfgm should just take over the route as far as Chorley as would mean along this route locals would not have cheap fares or day savers if Stagecoach was not invited into the system or wanted to join the fare system. in London bus permits routes don't take travelcards or TFL passes.

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Some planned changes for 29 January 2023. Diamond Bus had planned to reduce frequencies and/or withdraw some journeys on some of their routes but the majority will be retained by TfGM.

• 8 (Diamond): Re-routed to terminate at St Mary's Gate and run a one-way loop around Manchester city centre via John Dalton Street, Cross Street, St Mary's Gate and Deansgate.
• 17 (GNW): Some peak-time journeys extended from Rochdale to Norden via the R8 route (via Bamford), partly replacing service 162.
• 36 (Diamond): Saturday daytime service reduced from every 12 minutes to every 15 minutes.
• 37 (Diamond): Saturday daytime service reduced from every 12 minutes to every 15 minutes.
• 132 (Diamond): 0735 weekday journey from Tyldesley to Wigan withdrawn (0710 journey from Trafford Centre timed at 0736 from Tyldesley remains).
• 162 (Diamond): Withdrawn and partly replaced by services 17 and 163.
• 163 (Diamond): Sunday evening short journeys between Middleton and Manchester are withdrawn
• 347 (Stagecoach): Monday-Saturday daytime service reduced from every 10 minutes to every 12 minutes.
• 524 (Diamond): Some weekday early evening journeys withdrawn.
• 575 (Diamond): Some early morning and early evening journeys withdrawn.
  

https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
The 184 between Oldham and Huddersfield will be staying with First Bus, as the service will transfer from Oldham depot to Huddersfield depot in April. Be interesting to see if it's mentioned in the GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, as the 184 was listed as being part of the contract for the next round of bus franchising in March 2024.

Can expect some re-timing on early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as journeys will start/end in Huddersfield rather than Oldham. Possibly will mean an earlier final departure back into GM from Huddersifeld (currently 1935 weekdays, 1835 Saturdays, 1833 Sundays) but a possible later departure from Oldham to Huddersfield (currently 1803 weekdays, 1703 Saturdays, 1705 Sundays).

Also remains to be seen if First WY take over the late evening journeys currently operated by Nexus Move or if they will stay unchanged.

PB0000815/1028 Registered
FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD
Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station
Service number: 184
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/607258/

[SF07]

RE: Greater Manchester Service Changes
Proposed and planned changes listed from the forthcoming Bus Committee meeting next week. Changes will take place on 16th April 2023 (unless stated).

The notable changes are that Go North West will take some of the journeys withdrawn by Diamond in Bolton and Bury. Also changes to services in Stockport/Cheadle and from Transdev in Rochdale/Bury:

• 1 (Howards Travel and Omega Busways): New commercial service between Altrincham and Manchester via Airport and Princess Parkway, running one daily journey each way with some extra weekday journeys from 03/04/023
• 150 (Diamond): Weekday morning journeys re-timed
• 151 (Stotts): The first weekday journey to NMGH will start from Moston, Ben Brierley instead of Failsworth Tesco.
• 163/520/561/562/575 (Diamond/Go North West): Diamond's commercial journeys taken over on a tendered basis by Go North West. Existing tendered journeys remain unchanged.
• 309/310 (Nexus Move): New services introduced, partly replacing services 328 and 371, running circular routes between Stockport, Adswood and Cheadle. Service will run hourly Monday-Saturday daytime and every 2 hours evenings and Sundays.
• 312 (Stagecoach): New service introduced between Stockport and Cheadle Hulme via Bridge Hall and Cheadle, running every 30 minutes Monday-Saturday daytime and hourly evenings and Sundays. Service partly replaces service 328. Not to be confused by D&G Bus service 312 between Wilmslow and Handforth Dean.
• 323 (Stagecoach): Withdrawn and partly replaced by service 371.
• 370/371 (Diamond/Stagecoach): Weekday journeys re-timed. Service 371 is re-routed between Cheadle and Stockport to run via Parrs Wood and Heaton Mersey, partly replacing services 323 and 375. Avondale Road in Edgeley will be served by services 309/310.
• 375 (Little Gem): Weekday journeys will no longer extend from Stockport to Heaton Mersey, which is partly replaced by service 371. Stagecoach journeys on Saturdays remain unchanged.
• 455/R5 (Rosso): Service R5 is re-numbered to 455 and extended from Littleborough to Shore and Stansfield, partly replacing service 458. Stubley is served by services 456/458.
• 456/458 (Rosso): Existing service 458 is revised to run between Rochdale and Littleborough, running a circular route via Stubley, Littleborough and Hollingworth Lake with clockwise journeys numbered 456 and anti-clockwise journeys numbered 458.
• 527 (Vision/Diamond): Vision Bus' commercial journeys taken over on a tendered basis by Diamond. Service 525 and existing tendered journeys remains unchanged.
• B1 (Rosso): Re-timed to run 10 minutes later
• B2 (Rosso): Service re-routed around Limefield and Chesham
• B3 (Rosso): New service introduced between Bury and Norden, partly replacing services B4 and R2. Service will run mostly along existing B4 between Bury and Heywood (with a slight re-routing in Fern Grove) before running mostly along the R2 route between Heywood and Norden (with a slight re-routing in Elmsfield). Service to run hourly Mon-Sat daytime and every 2 hours between Bury and Heywood during evenings and Sundays.
• B4 (Rosso): Service re-routed to run along R2 route between Bury and Heywood (via Heap Bridge). Slight re-routing in Heywood.
• Free Bus 1, 2, 3 (Go North West): Changes planned still be finalised.
• RHS1 (Diamond): New daily summer service between Manchester Piccadilly station and RHS Bridgewater via Salford Crescent and Walkden railway station, running two journeys each way from 01/04/023
• R1 (Rosso): Re-timed
• R2 (Rosso): Service re-routed to run between Rochdale and Shawfield. Norden-Heywood-Bury served by services B3 and B4.
• R3 (Rosso): Service re-routed between Rochdale and Healey Corner, serving Rochdale Infirmary with service re-timed.
• R4 and R6 (Rosso): Services R4 and R6 are merged into a circular route with service R4 running from Rochdale to Peppermint Bridge mostly via existing R4 route but re-routed via Kiln Lane and Pennine Drive. Buses returning to Rochdale will run via Ladybridge and Kingsway Business Park. Service R6 will run in the opposite direction. Services also re-routed via Deeplish and Rochdale railway station.
• R5 (Rosso): Re-numbered 455 (see above).
• R7 (Rosso): Peak-time journeys re-timed and service re-routed in Boarshaw to run in a loop in both directions.
• R8 (Rosso): Re-timed
• R9/R10 (Rosso): Re-timed to provide an even 30 minute frequency between Rochdale and Milnrow with services R4/R6
• X50 (Diamond): Early morning journeys re-timed and buses will serve all stops along the route
• Middleton Local Link (Nexus Move): Extended to serve Heywood Old Road and Boardman Lane
  

https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.g...rt%20A.pdf