Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

[Y458 KNF]

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(05/03/2025 17:41)T42 PVM Wrote:  That 10A Frequency would not work out if it's just St Helens Depot running them from September 2026 which is apparently the case, The Combined 10A now is much more frequent and I often see Deckers leaving Queen Square with a full standing load, The Hydrogen Buses have a reduced Capacity as well..

I would assume that the PVR would have to be increased for St Helens to have a 6 min frequency.

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(05/03/2025 18:16)Y458 KNF Wrote:  I would assume that the PVR would have to be increased for St Helens to have a 6 min frequency.

You would think so but the link given says a 10 minute service and from my understanding that's the entire service from September 2026

[Y458 KNF]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(05/03/2025 20:53)T42 PVM Wrote:  You would think so but the link given says a 10 minute service and from my understanding that's the entire service from September 2026

Probably just an unfortunate thing with franchising being based around 1 depot.

[Bevan Price]

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(04/03/2025 22:04)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  The 17 will be the 30.

It’s all part of the LCR’s proposal to simplify route numbers and the St Helens local series will form part of the 20/30 series of numbers with route exceptions such as the 89 being part of the 80/90 South Liverpool and the 10/10A forming the Eastern 00’s/10’s. I’d also imagine the plan is to prevent duplication of route numbers

Other simplifications include:
12 (23)
22 (322)
29 (289 E/S)
60 (24)
152 (37A)
153 (25)

I’m not really sure why some of the merseytravel contract numbers in the 100/200 series are staying whilst others are changing however!

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I think the 25A (not 25) is the 153 equivalent. We will have to wait & see which part of Eccleston is served by the 25. As an Eccleston resident, I wonder if there will be any changes to the routing of 37/37A & 38 between St. Helens, Eccleston & Rainford.
BP

[lcm453]

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(05/03/2025 21:37)Bevan Price Wrote:  ------------------------------
I think the 25A (not 25) is the 153 equivalent. We will have to wait & see which part of Eccleston is served by the 25. As an Eccleston resident, I wonder if there will be any changes to the routing of 37/37A & 38 between St. Helens, Eccleston & Rainford.
BP

Are any details for wirral available?

[gka472l]

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(06/03/2025 10:44)lcm453 Wrote:  Are any details for wirral available?

Yes, they're also on the attachment on post #120

HTH

[Merseysidebusenthusiast]

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(04/03/2025 19:34)gka472l Wrote:  Not sure where the location of the file is from but this was posted on another forum, a list of both St Helens and Wirral network proposed route listings....of interest is that the 329/360 currently worked from St Helens, aren't listed as METRO, but are permit, and all Wirral routes look to be 4**

HTH

Noticed some changes to services on these expect the obvious number changes:
St Helens:
10A - Instead of running a combined 7/8 minute frequency Monday to Saturdays it now every 10 minutes.
29 - The renumbered 20 service is also increased on Saturdays to every 30 minutes.
37/37A - Nice to see a increased frequency between St Helens and Ormskirk to hourly.
39 - Increased from every 120 minutes to hourly.
289 - A introduced Sunday and evening service running as short journeys to Rainhill I presume.
297 - A Saturday service is introduced and now runs hourly. Wish it would be more increased.
322 - Weird how they take the 22 but not the 360/329 services.
X83 - A new service.
Wirral:
405/406 - Increased to run hourly each.
407 - No longer goes to West Kirby presuming it will be replaced by the 483/484 services.
408 - Brand new service
413/414 - New Sunday service presuming their replacing the 423. Also 414 runs short journeys on Sundays.
417 - A Sunday service introduced.
437 - Reduced from every 10 mins to every 20 mins??
480 - Now every 60 minutes
482 - Extended to Heswall and every 60 minutes.
483/484 - Replaces the 81 & 407 probably and run from West Kirby, Frankby, Greasby, Arrowe Park, Upton, Moreton, Meols, Hoylake and back to West Kirby.
492/495 - Sunday service increased to every 60 minutes.

So yeah overall, services look great just the confusing things of renumbering and why 360/329 will be ran by.

[North West Bus Spotter]

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(06/03/2025 11:38)Merseysidebusenthusiast Wrote:  Noticed some changes to services on these expect the obvious number changes:
St Helens:
10A - Instead of running a combined 7/8 minute frequency Monday to Saturdays it now every 10 minutes.
29 - The renumbered 20 service is also increased on Saturdays to every 30 minutes.
37/37A - Nice to see a increased frequency between St Helens and Ormskirk to hourly.
39 - Increased from every 120 minutes to hourly.
289 - A introduced Sunday and evening service running as short journeys to Rainhill I presume.
297 - A Saturday service is introduced and now runs hourly. Wish it would be more increased.
322 - Weird how they take the 22 but not the 360/329 services.
X83 - A new service.
Wirral:
405/406 - Increased to run hourly each.
407 - No longer goes to West Kirby presuming it will be replaced by the 483/484 services.
408 - Brand new service
413/414 - New Sunday service presuming their replacing the 423. Also 414 runs short journeys on Sundays.
417 - A Sunday service introduced.
437 - Reduced from every 10 mins to every 20 mins??
480 - Now every 60 minutes
482 - Extended to Heswall and every 60 minutes.
483/484 - Replaces the 81 & 407 probably and run from West Kirby, Frankby, Greasby, Arrowe Park, Upton, Moreton, Meols, Hoylake and back to West Kirby.
492/495 - Sunday service increased to every 60 minutes.

So yeah overall, services look great just the confusing things of renumbering and why 360/329 will be ran by.

The 297 did already have a Saturday service under Cumfybus from Prescot to Kirkby i believe but was withdrawn when Hattons took over full 297 operation

[Jack]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising
The Prescot to Kirkby section is now the 289 on Saturdays, whereas mon-Fri its St Helens to Prescot only.

[Merseysidebusenthusiast]

RE: Liverpool City Region Bus Franchising

(06/03/2025 12:33)North West Bus Spotter Wrote:  The 297 did already have a Saturday service under Cumfybus from Prescot to Kirkby i believe but was withdrawn when Hattons took over full 297 operation

Ye the 289 ran that section as an extension of the route from Prescot whereas the 297 runs threw Prescot, Thomas Drive and Upland Road.