Avon Buses

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Avon Buses
The 93 Interworks with the 202/204 and theres some bad roads on them routes

[wirralbus]

RE: Avon Buses
To be honest though there is roads on the Wirral in there heartland that are not really that good either.

Roads humps , speed cushions , speed tables all take there toll over time .

The original route of the 16/17 via Spital Cross Roads was removed because of a really severe speed table outside Stanton Road Primary School of which there is three in close proximity to each other that was damaging the underside of the First Group Solo's that where in use on that route.

[Busguy12]

RE: Avon Buses
202\204 are the general complaints about the roads, over on the wirral they try there best to keep them on roads that aren't to bad, 77 being one route

[wirralbus]

RE: Avon Buses
The 77 is a route that in pre-deregulation was a 4 times a day service , now look at it its an hourly commercial service one of the success stories of deregulation

[WAITING FOR THE 437]

RE: Avon Buses

(11/05/2016 17:07)wirralbus Wrote:  The 77 is a route that in pre-deregulation was a 4 times a day service , now look at it its an hourly commercial service one of the success stories of deregulation

They were the days when it was called a Bus Service. Now it's a Bus Business all about profit with not too much worry to the actual service.

[WAITING FOR THE 437]

RE: Avon Buses

(10/05/2016 21:18)Enviro400 Wrote:  I'm not sure, but the services I have seen have used older darts on the 93. If I were Avon, I would treat this as an opportunity to grow and would stick the newer buses on it, including the new Enviro 200s - at least for the first couple of months, so that people see snazzy vehicles and try it out. At the moment they are competing with Arriva & Stagecoach, both of which operate new vehicles on all of their cross-river routes, with the exception of SC's 471/2 board.

Thanks for the update

[wirralbus]

RE: Avon Buses

(12/05/2016 00:10)WAITING FOR THE 437 Wrote:  They were the days when it was called a Bus Service. Now it's a Bus Business all about profit with not too much worry to the actual service.

So you are actually saying four services a day as opposed to an hourly service now is best for everybody ?

[Quackdave]

RE: Avon Buses

(12/05/2016 06:47)wirralbus Wrote:  So you are actually saying four services a day as opposed to an hourly service now is best for everybody ?

Whilst the timing of WFT437's comment may have been illogical, I think it has some validity with regard to deregulation in general.

You provided an example of a service that's better since deregulation. Fair enough; but I think you'd struggle to provide any evidence that it's better because of deregulation, especially given that Merseytravel had it as an hourly service before Avon commercialised it.

I think the concept of service coming first in the pre-deregulation era is epitomised by the major fire that Trent suffered at their Derby depot in 1976. Thirty-eight buses were destroyed and others were blocked in by the damage. This happened in the early hours of the morning; within hours, buses had been drafted in from as far away as the West Midlands, with the result that not a single journey was dropped.

Now let's wind forward a few decades, to when Supertravel ceased trading. Whole roads, that had no alternative service, went without buses for several days!

Progress??

[Mayneway]

RE: Avon Buses

(12/05/2016 19:12)Quackdave Wrote:  Whilst the timing of WFT437's comment may have been illogical, I think it has some validity with regard to deregulation in general.

You provided an example of a service that's better since deregulation. Fair enough; but I think you'd struggle to provide any evidence that it's better because of deregulation, especially given that Merseytravel had it as an hourly service before Avon commercialised it.

I think the concept of service coming first in the pre-deregulation era is epitomised by the major fire that Trent suffered at their Derby depot in 1976. Thirty-eight buses were destroyed and others were blocked in by the damage. This happened in the early hours of the morning; within hours, buses had been drafted in from as far away as the West Midlands, with the result that not a single journey was dropped.

Now let's wind forward a few decades, to when Supertravel ceased trading. Whole roads, that had no alternative service, went without buses for several days!

Progress??

At the risk of it turning into another for/against re-regulation who's to blame? Greedy profiteers like Stagecoach, First and Arriva who have virtually squashed all the competition or do we blame the Transport act that was set up at de-regulation and basically makes it illegal for any bus company to run a commercial service at a loss??

[CX06 EBK (Administrator)]

RE: Avon Buses
I noticed a Caetano bodied Dart near Alder Hey Hospital today in overall blue with the diagonal cream towards the rear. It looked odd to say the least.