GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

[DLG817]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 10:30)knutstransport Wrote:  When you say they've left for financing companies, does that mean they've gone to companies who had given loans to GHA as a result of the loans not being repaid?

I am no expert but my understanding is that those allowed to leave are ones where the finance companies can prove ownership. That would mean the vehicles has been financed under an agreement similar to a hire purchase. If money was simply loaned to the company for the purchase of a vehicle then the loaner would just be a creditor and not entitled to the vehicle. I also understand that some of the buses are subjected to a 'chattel mortgage' and this means that the lender will have legal entitlement to the vehicle until the loan is satisfied.

[Aaron's Transport Pictures]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 01:34)LJ51 DDA Wrote:  forgot to post this I noticed yesterday Lloyds had two brand new Enviro 200s on the T3 whether there was more i do not know as i only seen two i presume they are leased rather than brand new but im not to sure on that, The registrations have slipped my head now but both were YY16 ***.

YY16YJT and YY16YJU.

[Metroline1511]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)
Thank you for your update Ron in post 2002. This is remarkably informative but demonstrates how little extra work Arriva in particular has taken on.

[knutstransport]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 15:37)Danfilm007 Wrote:  There were a few 59 plate ones if I can recall, and as long as they're in okish condition (Most of them are), it's buses they can buy and hold onto for a few years and taking the dependency away from hiring in at the moment. They might keep the branding in the short term, it wouldn't be much of a shock either way to me.

From Ron's fleet list it looks like there were 4 x 59 reg Cheshire Connect Solos. There's also DK09ENW which finished up in Cheshire Connect colours with the Cheshire Connect branding removed. I'm not sure if Versa MX58KZE ever got it's Connect 88 branding removed.

If D&G want any of the old GHA fleet I don't think the livery will bother them too much, they seem to be able to apply a red base coat and a D&G logo to a bus relatively quickly and easily. It might be the Solo SRs or the Metrocities would interest D&G as they currently have both types of buses in their fleet but then it might be that D&G acquire additional buses from elsewhere.

[knutstransport]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 18:30)DLG817 Wrote:  I am no expert but my understanding is that those allowed to leave are ones where the finance companies can prove ownership. That would mean the vehicles has been financed under an agreement similar to a hire purchase. If money was simply loaned to the company for the purchase of a vehicle then the loaner would just be a creditor and not entitled to the vehicle. I also understand that some of the buses are subjected to a 'chattel mortgage' and this means that the lender will have legal entitlement to the vehicle until the loan is satisfied.

OK Thanks. So I'm guessing the sale of those buses will probably be via a different method to the rest of the GHA fleet.

[DLG817]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(31/07/2016 09:20)knutstransport Wrote:  OK Thanks. So I'm guessing the sale of those buses will probably be via a different method to the rest of the GHA fleet.

Correct

[chester285]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 14:23)iMarkeh Wrote:  D&G are just legends. They took on so much. SC Chester and Arriva Chester could have done more. Even if Arriva Chester took a few evening Wrexhams and use the buses of the 12 as that finishes early. SC Chester always has deckers sat doing nothing. They could help with 82 or even use the deckers on silly routes like 51 and then send the darts to SP1/2. Arriva Chester has a large depot and few routes. I personally think they could do more. I know it may seem a lil harsh but Peter Allman could do the middle day DB4 then run to Upton for the school run. It is just small things that companies could do but just dont. D&G and Townlynx have taken on a heck of a lot and I think if it wasnt for them, not even half of GHA would be covered. Some companies have done small other bits but I deffo think there are more spare buses and drivers than people are letting on. Especially on Sundays/Evenings. Through the week cant they reduce some services and interwork them to save on buses? It wont work all the time but in some cases, I think it could work.

Its not as simple as that though they can only take more work on if they have the vehicles and the drivers, SC the majority of the double deckers have returned to gilmoss as they were only covering schools and aren't a permeant allocation, plus you have got the operating licence dictating how many vehicles the depot can run. quite often see the trident and enviro 400 on the 51/53! You also have to bear in mind that it may not also be financially viable for a depot to take an emergency contract on as you still have running costs to factor in.

[Salopbus]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(30/07/2016 11:31)mikestone Wrote:  Transport Service Solutions, as far as I am aware, is not an operator just Cheshire East Council's hived off transport department. Presumably one of their staff is manning the phone and someone else providing the vehicle?

You need to keep your eyes on N & P Transport Services Solutions have a 7 vehicles O Licence PC1143085.

[iMarkeh]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)

(31/07/2016 15:40)chester285 Wrote:  Its not as simple as that though they can only take more work on if they have the vehicles and the drivers, SC the majority of the double deckers have returned to Gillmoss as they were only covering schools and aren't a permeant allocation, plus you have got the operating licence dictating how many vehicles the depot can run. quite often see the trident and enviro 400 on the 51/53! You also have to bear in mind that it may not also be financially viable for a depot to take an emergency contract on as you still have running costs to factor in.

SC had about 4/5 deckers + bluebirds for the Tarvin High Schools as GHA dropped them. Trident and Enviro400 need to come off 51/53 really. They are used on schools then do 51/53 in the day and sometimes at night they are on after schools. SC could simply run it commercially as GHA must have some sort of profit off 36 as they ran it commercial. SC run commercial and get money. People are desperate for a bus service so will pay little bit more in the short term!

[mtl97]

RE: GHA Group (Bryn Melyn, Vale Travel + Others)
GHA went bust with debts of millions so were their routes making a profit at all, also stagecoach will need extra drivers which takes time, one of stagecoach managers in merseyside used to be in charge at first chester a few years ago & im sure he will know what parts are profitable especially in ellesmere port area, so far the passengers are happier as both stagecoach & helms are much cheaper than gha were & more reliable