Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

[Y727 KNF]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 16:33)326VFM Wrote:  I think moved to Aintree in Liverpool

Thanks

[YK53 GXO]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 16:21)Y727 KNF Wrote:  Is the ex-Townlynx Solo MX09 AOL not still here?

It moved over to Aintree garage around a year ago to operate on one of the Merchant Taylor school contracts permanently. It occasionally ventures back across to the Eastham garage over the school holidays however.

[Y727 KNF]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 16:59)YK53 GXO Wrote:  It moved over to Aintree garage around a year ago to operate on one of the Merchant Taylor school contracts permanently. It occasionally ventures back across to the Eastham garage over the school holidays however.

Ah right okay, thanks for the info

[iMarkeh]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 10:46)YK53 GXO Wrote:  The address on the legal lettering is not always, and has no legal requirement to be the operating base of the licensed vehicles to the company.

Most of the vehicles for the school service work are inter worked within the local bus diagrams, therefore the PVR is reduced. For instance, the City-Rail-Link vehicle leaves Chester and goes on to do the Wirral Grammar School at around 2pm.

In total (including school buses), there is normally a dail requirement of around 16-18 vehicles operating out of Hooton garage. This includes the 3-4 shunt buses that are used to/from Chester and Ellesmere Port for either driver or bus changeovers.

I know shunt buses dont need a permit. Only buses on service trips need them. What is the point in them asking for the operating centres and how many vehicles will operate from there? Their O Licence only has 12 vehicles from Hooton so only 12 on service trips meaning 6 buses are there only for spares or shuttle

[YK53 GXO]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 22:29)iMarkeh Wrote:  I know shunt buses dont need a permit. Only buses on service trips need them. What is the point in them asking for the operating centres and how many vehicles will operate from there? Their O Licence only has 12 vehicles from Hooton so only 12 on service trips meaning 6 buses are there only for spares or shuttle

All buses that operate for the company on public roads for the purpose of business or trade require a Section 22 permit O-License. This includes shunt buses. Any bus operating for the company, whether in service or not, requires a valid Operator License showing on the vehicle.

Also, the shunt buses for the day tend to be the buses that operate the schools in the morning, then get shunted down to Ellesmere Port or Chester for a driver change at around 2pm, meaning that they can go straight to the school instead of having to go back to the depot. This, in most cases, significantly reduces the PVR for the company.

The operating centre is mainly only to state where that buses main office is based. The actual location of the bus when out of use can vary, hence why there is no specific address on the O-License disc. For example, Trident AW04 XCK can be operated under the PC0003713 license from the Eastham garage every day, but it's main operating centre is actually Aintree garage. This is what is known as storing a bus in an 'outstation' to where the vehicle is registered to for practical reasons. Where buses are stored overnight does not directly have to be their operating centre on the corresponding companies O-License.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham
I didnt think shunts needed a permit. I thought only for passenger service meaning things like shunts wouldnt need them. I understand the permits better now. Thank you.

[enrag2000]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(29/04/2017 10:10)YK53 GXO Wrote:  All buses that operate for the company on public roads for the purpose of business or trade require a Section 22 permit O-License. This includes shunt buses. Any bus operating for the company, whether in service or not, requires a valid Operator License showing on the vehicle.

Also, the shunt buses for the day tend to be the buses that operate the schools in the morning, then get shunted down to Ellesmere Port or Chester for a driver change at around 2pm, meaning that they can go straight to the school instead of having to go back to the depot. This, in most cases, significantly reduces the PVR for the company.

The operating centre is mainly only to state where that buses main office is based. The actual location of the bus when out of use can vary, hence why there is no specific address on the O-License disc. For example, Trident AW04 XCK can be operated under the PC0003713 license from the Eastham garage every day, but it's main operating centre is actually Aintree garage. This is what is known as storing a bus in an 'outstation' to where the vehicle is registered to for practical reasons. Where buses are stored overnight does not directly have to be their operating centre on the corresponding companies O-License.

You are referring to the licences held by Aintree Coaches International Limited (PC0004738) and by John Cherry (PC0003713). Legally and in the eyes of the Traffic Commissioner these are two separate entities.

4738 authorises the operation of twelve vehicles from Hooton and two from Sefton Industrial Estate and as this is an International licence, vehicles operated under this licence should display its green O-licence discs.

3713 authorises the operation of fourteen vehicles from Sefton Industrial Estate and none from Hooton and as this is a National licence, vehicles operated under this licence should display its blue O-licence discs.

If any vehicles with the blue discs are regularly operated from Hooton as an outstation, this needs to be registered on the licence as a separate operating centre. An operating centre is defined as the place where a vehicle is normally kept. An "outstation" is an operating centre in its own right. Stagecoach for instance have many outstations but they are all on the relevant operator's licence.

As you have listed 18 vehicles based at Hooton, and say that none are spare, it appears that the authorisation at Hooton on 4738 (green discs) needs to be increased to cover at least the daily vehicle requirement. Furthermore if any of the services registered on 4738 are operated by vehicles with blue discs on 3713, they should display legal "on hire" notices.

[Olympian2100]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(28/04/2017 16:33)326VFM Wrote:  I think moved to Aintree in Liverpool

When you refer to into Aintree, do you mean Aintree Coachline or Aintree the place? I only ask because Aintree Coachline's depot is in Maghull.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham
Does anyone know what the other Aintree Coachline Solo does? There are 2 in Hooton which are for the 7. Any ideas on the other one? Also, what school routes do Aintree do in Liverpool?

[YK53 GXO]

RE: Aintree Coachline / Helms of Eastham

(03/05/2017 19:57)iMarkeh Wrote:  Does anyone know what the other Aintree Coachline Solo does? There are 2 in Hooton which are for the 7. Any ideas on the other one? Also, what school routes do Aintree do in Liverpool?

Read post number 413.

Solo MX09 AOL transferred across to Aintree garage permanently to operate the Merchant Taylors School contract. This is the only Aintree school route that they operate, however there tends to be a lot of private school work that is done by Aintree for various Liverpool & Wirral schools, such as school trips etc.