Stagecoach Order 2013-14

[Neukit]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(01/07/2013 11:24)Southernsofty Wrote:  

(01/07/2013 10:26)mbonwick Wrote:  All very well saying everything is accounted for, but you forget the extension to the order which is released around September and already includes 30+ more Scania Enviro400s....

First I've heard of it!!!
When you say 'released around September' is this a regular 'fixed' revision date?
Thank you anyway!

There are always amendments to the officially announced orders, due to potential LA tender bids, BRDG, GBF etc, so even discounting any "extensions" to the order, the numbers rarely actually add up.
From the officially announced order, I think only the Enviro200 and coach numbers are still accurate, so don't get too hung up on trying to make everything "add up".

[Southernsofty]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(01/07/2013 19:27)Neukit Wrote:  

(01/07/2013 11:24)Southernsofty Wrote:  

(01/07/2013 10:26)mbonwick Wrote:  All very well saying everything is accounted for, but you forget the extension to the order which is released around September and already includes 30+ more Scania Enviro400s....

First I've heard of it!!!
When you say 'released around September' is this a regular 'fixed' revision date?
Thank you anyway!

There are always amendments to the officially announced orders, due to potential LA tender bids, BRDG, GBF etc, so even discounting any "extensions" to the order, the numbers rarely actually add up.
From the officially announced order, I think only the Enviro200 and coach numbers are still accurate, so don't get too hung up on trying to make everything "add up".

21 new Enviro 200 for Sunderland.

[Darryl]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14
Fleet numbers for the Canterbury Park & Ride vehicles

Enviro 400's: 10063 - 10066
Enviro 300's: 27919 - 27924
Optare Solo: 47874

All are due to be based at Dover.

On a related note, Stagecoach have also won the contract for the Guildford Park & Ride from Arriva/Safeguard, starting from the 1st. September.

[Southernsofty]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(10/07/2013 21:30)Darryl Wrote:  Fleet numbers for the Canterbury Park & Ride vehicles

Enviro 400's: 10063 - 10066
Enviro 300's: 27919 - 27924
Optare Solo: 47874

All are due to be based at Dover.

Dover for Canterbury P&R? I thought Canterbury was operated as an outstation of Herne Bay? Can I just confirm that Dover is to be the based depot for this?

[Darryl]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(11/07/2013 22:44)Southernsofty Wrote:  

(10/07/2013 21:30)Darryl Wrote:  Fleet numbers for the Canterbury Park & Ride vehicles

Enviro 400's: 10063 - 10066
Enviro 300's: 27919 - 27924
Optare Solo: 47874

All are due to be based at Dover.

Dover for Canterbury P&R? I thought Canterbury was operated as an outstation of Herne Bay? Can I just confirm that Dover is to be the based depot for this?

Apparently, yes. I thought it was a bit odd too when I read it! Possibly Herne Bay is out of space (I doubt these would have been kept out in the open at the Canterbury outstation anyway). Kent Top Travel have been operating the Park & Ride from various sites, including Newingreen (near Folkestone) and Lydden (near Dover), so dead running is nothing new.

[Southernsofty]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(12/07/2013 05:19)Darryl Wrote:  

(11/07/2013 22:44)Southernsofty Wrote:  

(10/07/2013 21:30)Darryl Wrote:  Fleet numbers for the Canterbury Park & Ride vehicles

Enviro 400's: 10063 - 10066
Enviro 300's: 27919 - 27924
Optare Solo: 47874

All are due to be based at Dover.

Dover for Canterbury P&R? I thought Canterbury was operated as an outstation of Herne Bay? Can I just confirm that Dover is to be the based depot for this?

Apparently, yes. I thought it was a bit odd too when I read it! Possibly Herne Bay is out of space (I doubt these would have been kept out in the open at the Canterbury outstation anyway). Kent Top Travel have been operating the Park & Ride from various sites, including Newingreen (near Folkestone) and Lydden (near Dover), so dead running is nothing new.

Daryl, thanks for the reply, I delved a little bit and as well as physical space issues, I think there are O licence issues too, I checked the VOSA site and Herne bay has an O licence for 57 and Canterbury 17 for a total combined allocation of @73.
I know you can apply to increase the numbers but it takes time and could be refused if the operator has 'run out of legitimate parking space'.
Dover has an O licence for 54 with a further 8 listed at Pencester Road (I think that's the road with the main bus stops in the centre of Dover)?
Current allocation @ 57, so another 11 buses takes it over the limit.
My allocation figures may not be 100% up to date, also maybe some Nat-Express coaches are parked elsewhere overnight?
I think VOSA gives operators a little bit of slack, so probably there is a fast track application
to increase the numbers.

[Darryl]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(15/07/2013 15:33)Southernsofty Wrote:  

(12/07/2013 05:19)Darryl Wrote:  

(11/07/2013 22:44)Southernsofty Wrote:  Dover for Canterbury P&R? I thought Canterbury was operated as an outstation of Herne Bay? Can I just confirm that Dover is to be the based depot for this?

Apparently, yes. I thought it was a bit odd too when I read it! Possibly Herne Bay is out of space (I doubt these would have been kept out in the open at the Canterbury outstation anyway). Kent Top Travel have been operating the Park & Ride from various sites, including Newingreen (near Folkestone) and Lydden (near Dover), so dead running is nothing new.

Daryl, thanks for the reply, I delved a little bit and as well as physical space issues, I think there are O licence issues too, I checked the VOSA site and Herne bay has an O licence for 57 and Canterbury 17 for a total combined allocation of @73.
I know you can apply to increase the numbers but it takes time and could be refused if the operator has 'run out of legitimate parking space'.
Dover has an O licence for 54 with a further 8 listed at Pencester Road (I think that's the road with the main bus stops in the centre of Dover)?
Current allocation @ 57, so another 11 buses takes it over the limit.
My allocation figures may not be 100% up to date, also maybe some Nat-Express coaches are parked elsewhere overnight?
I think VOSA gives operators a little bit of slack, so probably there is a fast track application
to increase the numbers.

You're right about Pencester Road. I don't think vehicles are parked there overnight (I dare not go into Dover at that time anyway!).

The entire NatEx fleet is now based at Dover. Again, I'm not aware of anywhere that is used as an overnight stabling point.

[YN05 WKE]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14
is there any buses due for Merseyside or Chester & The Wirral within the next year?

[MPTE1955]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14
Yes Andy, mentioned earlier the thread there will be 20 more Enviro300's for GM, due about August-October. Credit to Cumbria0902150.

[gka472l]

RE: Stagecoach Order 2013-14

(17/07/2013 20:26)MPTE1955 Wrote:  Yes Andy, mentioned earlier the thread there will be 20 more Enviro300's for GM, due about August-October. Credit to Cumbria0902150.

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